So, does Nathan Natas get an invite back? It seemed that cedars' objection was the only obstacle getting and keeping him banned.
Las Malvinas son Argentinas
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I have just been disinvited to my brother's wedding - Thanks AAWA!
by Sic Semper Tyrannis ini am an inactive jw.
i havent been on this forum for a few months and have been lurking in others.
i have met a few people in real life and online, both on this forum and on others.
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AAWA has caused divisions and has lost the opportunity to be effective
by NoRegrets inhere's the thing,.
the whole aawa idea had noble ideas behind it, but the ship has sailed and the movement needs to go back to the drawing board.
period.
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So we should just ignore possible illegal activity just because they are committed to bringing down the WT? How is is legally actionable to accuse people using a pseudonym of criminal conduct? Are you suggesting slander or libel? Whatever his name is, he's going to have a hard time convincing a court that his reputation is tarnished and that he cannot find a job because someone on an internet forum said "John Cedars" might be guilty of a felony. If that were the case most members here on JWN (you included) would have cases pending against them. Not looking for a pat on the back. I'd rather you do not touch me at all. And if you want to spit on me, then you can count on an equally repulsive response.
okage - Nowhere in my last post did I include 'Arizona' or 'Commission'. I did use 'ACC'. Sorry about being repetitive, but when the tired old excuses of 'you are not an attorney' come up and I am asked to divulge my sources, I feel somewhat compelled to bring up the ACC. So far, no one has brought anything from an authority that is contrary to or contradicts what the stated position of the ACC is. What would be really helpful is if someone could get a comment from Richard Kelly, the AAWA's legal team coordinator and the incorporator of those documents. Maybe we'd see these comments disappear if he would tell us that no, everything is fine with the use of the pseudonym, and we have checked it out. Just a thought.
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AAWA has caused divisions and has lost the opportunity to be effective
by NoRegrets inhere's the thing,.
the whole aawa idea had noble ideas behind it, but the ship has sailed and the movement needs to go back to the drawing board.
period.
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I feel it is counter productive from some of the AAWA apologists here to continually take what they evidently feel is a higher ground by insulting the credentials and motives of the people who are questioning the legality of using a psuedonym in incorporation documents. The attitude is generally 'Are you an attorney? Then you don't know what you are talking about, so shut up'. I am privy to the email exchange with the ACC and know what questions were asked, and what were the responses. Though the ACC did reiterate that they are not an enforcement agency and do not get involved with legal matters such as determining whether or not criminal actions were committed, they do say the following:
The Commission's constitutional role as a respository is limited to a determination of whether documents meet statuatory requirements for filing.
Thus, as originally filed, the AAWA's documents were deemed satisfactory. That is, until the fact that the president was and is using a pseudonym was brought to their attention, they did not hesitate to mention that this was definitely contrary to their filing requirements.
I hope those who are so adamant in claiming that nothing was done contrary to the ACC's standards are certain in what they claim. They should know, however, that to continually belittle and be combative towards those who have legitimate questions as to the pseudonym issue is only serving to bait us into taking this a step further and filing a complaint as the ACC has already asked one of us to do.
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AAWA has caused divisions and has lost the opportunity to be effective
by NoRegrets inhere's the thing,.
the whole aawa idea had noble ideas behind it, but the ship has sailed and the movement needs to go back to the drawing board.
period.
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Funny, Nixon said the same thing about Watergate.
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AAWA has caused divisions and has lost the opportunity to be effective
by NoRegrets inhere's the thing,.
the whole aawa idea had noble ideas behind it, but the ship has sailed and the movement needs to go back to the drawing board.
period.
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
So you are saying that you know for sure that 'John Cedars' has filed a DBA (Doing Business As) statement with the State of Arizona?
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AAWA has caused divisions and has lost the opportunity to be effective
by NoRegrets inhere's the thing,.
the whole aawa idea had noble ideas behind it, but the ship has sailed and the movement needs to go back to the drawing board.
period.
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
You're probably right. The Arizona Corporation Commission wouldn't know dick about Arizona corporate law. I'll be sure to place a call in to the Arizona State Police and ask to speak to a 'cop' for his opinion. I'll let you all know how all that flushes.
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My View and Bobby Dylan's View of AntiWatchtower Special Groups
by Band on the Run inmy computer crashed so i am not fully informed of the recent antiwatchtower organization.
i must vent, however.
perhaps i am the only one on the face of the earth (or the entire universe) but i found cedar's opening announcement insulting.
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Angharad is right - the AAWA threads were shut down because the points were already made and were being rehashed. This one stays open because it's the first "I hate AAWA because I wasn't invited to be on the Board of Directors" thread.
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If you started an organisation (related to exposing the Watchtower, helping Jw's who are disfellowshipped, or any other worthy cause).. What would it be called and what would you aim to achieve?
by The Quiet One in...?.
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
I'll take that name, Witness My Fury. I'll be incorporating that under the pseudonym of Don Juan Diego de las Malvinas, and I'll be taking and soliciting donations. Cash or check only. If you want to know who to make the check out to, my best friends call me 'Cash'.
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Why isn't anyone on JWN invited to the Facebook discussion by AAWA tonight?
by wha happened? ini guess we're persona non grata now.
take a look at what i found on facebook:.
we're firing up the grill again!
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Posted on behalf of fizzywiglet, at her request, in response to Chaserious:
"Except that I checked the IRS's 501(c)3 list, and AAWA isn't on it. They may have applied for nonprofit status, but they haven't been approved yet...that generally takes between 2 and 12 months.
In any event, you are incorrect to think the attorney probably advised them on this. I used to work for an attorney, and I have filled out and submitted the incorporation paperwork on that attorney's behalf, as his paralegal. It was a perfectly routine process. The attorney doesn't do background checks or ask for proof of I.D. or anything; we asked the client for the basic info (names and addresses of board members, etc.), filled out the paperwork, mailed it in, billed our client a few hundred or $1,000 for it.
The attorney who submitted the paperwork on Richard Kelly's behalf would have no reason to suspect that a name/address was false unless Richard Kelly brought it up to him." -
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Why isn't anyone on JWN invited to the Facebook discussion by AAWA tonight?
by wha happened? ini guess we're persona non grata now.
take a look at what i found on facebook:.
we're firing up the grill again!
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According to ARS 10-3202, Subsection I (for non-profits):
Any person who executed or contributed information for a certificate of disclosure and who intentionally makes any untrue statement of material fact or withholds any material fact with regard to the information required in subsection D, paragraph 1 of this section is guilty of a class 6 felony.
This is in line with the same exact information that the ACC representative provided fizzywiglet.
Notice this includes not only the person who executed the COD (the Incorporator), but anyone who 'contributed information'. This would apply to cedars as well, since he came up with the alias 'John Cedars' and provided such information, and not Mr Kelly.